Remembering the "Great" of Great Britain
Posted by Apollomed from Penrhiwceiber on the 29th June 2009
I recently bought the book " Its called great Britain not Rubbish Britain" by John Gaunt, who is the only journalist that is not afraid of the PC brigade and says it as it is, regarding Government, Immigration, benefits, you name it, if it winds us up he writes about it. He was remembering what he thought were some of the great things about Britain and I just thought it might be fun if everyone had something to add that they remember that was good about Britain. My two contributions to start:
Branston Pickle!!
HP Sauce !!
Its only a bit of fun but might be interesting to see what everyone comes up with
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Bread and Dripping.
My first one that I missed from Wales would have been Branston Pickle but I can get that now. Another one I missed was Quaver Crisps I can get them now too. But what I can't get are Ferrari's Pasties and sausage rolls so thats top of my list for food lol.
How about there Pie and Chips with Gravy.lovely.
I really miss a decent Bacon Sandwich ,not the watery filled bacon we buy now.Goodness knows what they pump into it today as it leaves a horrid white residue in the frying pan. YUK
Also a nice piece of beef that you get real beef dripping from ,all we get now is a watery liquid with a thin skim of fat on the top.
Nice to see you on hear B G. That is so true i think all cuts of meat are tasteless.
Faggots and pease pudding.
Jelled eels.
The smell of a roast dinner on a Sunday walking down the street.
The Mini Car (and the mini skirt too!!)
The swinging sixties
The beatles
As long as the pie chips and gravy was from Carpanini's
I used to go there when i was a teenager.yummy yummy.
Piccalilli.
Chips in a paper bag dripping in vinigar and our hands staying warm on yesterdays newspaper that cradled the bag of chips after leaving the cinema or the memorial hall.
In Wales anyway, I dont know if anywere else had the 5-Oclock (am) hooters. I loved these on a weekend knowing I could go back to sleep.
When I was in bed I loved to hear the trafic or the people returning home after a night out, . (Double glazing stopped all that). We knew in our street when one last chap strolled up from the pub singing "you,l never walk alone". It was time for bed as the street then fell silent
When I was older going to a pub and joining in a sing song with the rest of the people, anything from oldies to hymns
Omg yessssssssss faggots and mushy peas oh i can taste them now when I used to work at the cafe in Aberdare market I think i ate most of the profits there lol.
Keep them coming. The best faggots and peas I ever tasted were in Ponty market and the place is still there!!!
Worcester Sauce
Smiths Crisps with the blue bag of salt
St David's Day in school with the concert in the morning and the rest of the day off
The 4- minute mile
Gardenergirl
I use to love going to the pub on a Saturday night for a good old sing song round the piano ,and a game of darts.
Another old tradition now long gone was the Rag and Bone man who would give you a balloon or a goldfish for your old bits and pieces ,most people sell their unwanted stuff at car boot sales these days. Me included.LOL
Another thing we don't see now is the knife grinder man and his wheel ,then there was the Betterware man with his suitcase full of stuff ,he would often give out free minature tins of polish .
Gee Whizz how life has changed.
Things change, but not for the better, I,m nearer the grave than the cradle but glad I was born when I was, the youngsters could never have the fun like we did.
Fishing for tadpoles in the river or park pond and scaring our mums to death when they became frogs.
Taking bottles back to the shop to collect a refund
Playing hop scotch or skiping in the streets.
Knock a dolly (bet we all moan about that now lol)
Swing on a rope tied to a tree (better if it was over a river)
My husband said the biggest thrill he ever felt was when he had a two wheeler bike, all made with his own hands from a frame some one had thrown away and bit and bobs he collected from a scrap yard (he had to get brakes and metal paint from Halfords though) he had it years. I think he exaggerates when he says it beats all todays mountain bikes though lol
And the Rag and bone man you mentioned was a thrill. We got balloons for a bag of material and the goldfish if there was some metal. If our parents took them with us we got both
OMG the Rag and Bone Man. My mother popped out to a neighbours when I was a lad and the rag and Bone Man was in the street. I wanted a Goldfish so I ran out of the house and gave him my Grandmother's Staffordshire China Dogs. Worth a fortune today!!!! My mother went crazy and chased after the rag and bone man to get them back. needless to say i got a good hiding.
Penny Chews
being able to buy a single Woodbine in the corner shop for a sly puff
apollo Im laughing at the good hiding bit, had many myself off my mother but if this happened today social services would be on thier backs, dont know about you but Im glad I got a good few slaps on the legs, off my mother it didnt do us any harm in fact made us think twice about getting into trouble. And the single fags I wish my parents had caught me smoking cos I still smoke and its a dear habit.
Pea shooters (they grew wild at the back of our house) Had many a clip for pinching the dried peas from the pantry
Wooden gambos made from old pram wheels
Brand new clothes at Easter A rig out from our dresses to our undies, much to big as they had to be our bit of best till next Easter.
The Easter fair, and the roll a penny stalls.
I remember my Mums .Meat and Potato pie it was very good.
It used to fill us up.
Your lucky, MY mum's pies were famous for all the wrong reasons. My uncle was in the navy and when he came home on leave he used to take her pastry back with him to use as ballast.
Your right about being disciplined gardengirl-those few slaps were an effective means of showing right from wrong and instilling respect for parents-sadly lacking today.
I also remembered the easter "kitting out" of new clothes.
But.... my mother used to get clothing vouchers through the Pru-(in hindsight now all these years on, I realise it was a form of "tick" which of course nobody liked to admit to).
I remember getting rigged out in Castrees in the Mount and shouting out at the top of my voice "Im getting new clothes cos my mam has got a voucher"!!!!!
The world crumbled, red faced smiles all round and my legs stung for a week after that!!
A quick slap now and again obviously did not do us any harm as we are all still here to tell the tale.
I remember my Mum getting provident cheques to buy clothes and household stuff in Leslies store and other shops in Aberdare,the man came around the houses collecting your payments on Friday nights.
Who remembers home made creamy rice puddings with a lovely skin on top,we had one every Sunday after our roast dinner the weeks when money was flush we had it made with evaporated milk .LOVELY.
How many of us make home made rice pudding these day I don't for sure.If we do ever have it is that ghastly stuff out of a tin ,I try to perky it up a bit by putting brown sugar on it and sticking it in the oven for a while.
Fish and chips is a great British tradition. Sadly, how many chippies are genuine fish and chip shops these days without being part of a Chinese takeaway or Kebab house?
Aberdare always had some good ones as did the Mount. The fish then was delivered almost daily fresh and in wooden boxes off a lorry. Curry sauce poured over chips was unheard of then-apart from fish and chips, only pies and pasties could be bought.
They really knew how to cook the stuff then and how to look after a customer.
Provident, Lesley Stores, and of course co-op vouchers lol. It wasnt so much others finding out, but my father very strict on tic he only allowed the co-op so every week us kids took the money to the provy collecter who lived in the street and Leslies collector called in the day when my father was in work. I dread to think what he would say about my credit cards nowadays lol
Rice pudding was great I hate the tinned stuff now but who remembers the Bread and butter puding (nothing ever went to waste in those days) stalish bread went for that and the stalest made the stuffing for the chicken dinner. (none of us kids liked the chicken as it usually ran around in the garden the day before in a hen inclosure giving us lovely eggs till it was thought to be getting tough or stopped laying)
Cawl (lamb broth) from a breast of lamb or the breast was boned, stuffed and made into a lovely roll just like a joint. A breast of lamb cost about sixpence in those days.
The geese was kept till Xmas.
Ughrrr and the goose greese preserved for winter and rubbed on our backs if whe had a cold so the cold would not go to our chests
I loved going for coach rides through the country. Sometimes the bus had to make a de-tour and I was amazed how skilled they manouvered through those narrow lanes.
picking bluebells and filling the vases in the house, then having to give to neighbors because we had picked too many.
walking up the streams to see where they "came from"
Going to london to see the "Changing of the Guards" and visiting the Tower of London, Wax Museum and Picadilly Circus.
Taking a London Taxi
Catching and enjoying the train from London to Wales.
New Years Eve at the Nos Galon Races followed by a dance.
Walking around the Rhigos Village.
Ice Slices
Malt Bread
Hi, bluebells, it is now an offence to pick them and where I live they grow in abundance, but the sad part for me is when my sister died in an accident in April, she always said when she was alive, "no flowers, money for charity" but she would like one wreath of bluebells on her coffin as they reminded her of her childhood in Aberdare. The florist (in Manchester) tried her best could not use them she compromised with white roses and silk bluebells. I had some cultivated ones in the garden and took these up to her funeral and I suppose I broke the law, but by adding them but it gave gave me a great deal of comfort I wasnt alone because a few other mourners did the same.
Our countryside is full of them in the season I dont think we will be short of them but apparently most wild flowers are protected now.
Us kids loved picking them for our parents, usually as a peace offering or a cheap birthday gift that was well appreciated by our mums. lol
egg custard tart
home made brawn
rabbit stew (my mother would only buy one with its fur on and skin it herself lol she was afraid it might be a cat) apparenly during the war it was thought some ruthless butchers did this. the war had been over years but she still wouldnt take the risk
It is such a shame that the youngsters of today cannot roam free around the country side as we did as children.The pleasure we got from picking wild bluebells and pussy willows and lambs tails and primroses was great.
They stop children picking them now but it seems ok for the powers that be to churn up the country side where they grow and build houses there :-(
Who remembers pressed tongue .YUK
Pressed toungue lol a good funeral was judged by this, if you had to go without food for a week after to pay for it. the women went back to the house where as the men went to the graveside. Sandwiches of ham and pressed toungue with fruit and madera cake (usually home baked by a friend or nieghbour). Us children were not allowed to attend the funeral service in these days, but were allowed to go and sit quietly to the small feast later. The mention of corned beef unheard of lol
Home made corned beef pasties
home made mince pies for Xmas
Home made Chrismas pudding (usually made weeks before to mature, and all us kids waiting to stir for a wish)
The smell of home baking Especially bread (there was a downfall to home baking for me as we had a black lead fireplace with an oven and every week It was my job to polish it with a tin of (I think it was called zippo) and old pieces of velvet)
What I realy miss seeing nowadays though is all the family having thier own chores to earn pocket money. We all took great pride in who could do the best. (but the boys of the family were lucky back then, as it was un-manly for them to do houswork)
I smiled at the comment about pressed tongue and the funeral. There used to be a comment the older women used to make if they had been in somebody's house for tea:
"Ham on the table and nobody died-there's posh!!!!"
I used to love hearing that
Gardenergirl
Talking of cast iron fire grates brings back memories of helping my gran clean her with black lead what a hard job that was.
I also use to love doing the door steps with a donkey stone(sand stone) don't think people do that any more,I use to do my front door step with red cardinal polish at least once a week.
Who remembers the old wash tub and dolly peg that you use to stodge up and down on the clothes to get them clean.
My first washing aid was a glass scrubbing board.
Gee Whizz housewives worked hard in the days gone by.
Who remembers the old clothes pegs with little round tops,as children we use to have competitions to see who could make the best dressed Peg Doll what fun that was,we seemed to make our own entertainment then and it never cost much either.
You are all bringing tears to my eyes and a watering feeling in my mouth,
Pork pies, Faggots,(from Brecon market butcher the best)
Mac,. stout, fish and chips in paper all these things and more. I tell my Grand children all about them ,and I have a grate time explaining to the OZ people and see thier face as they hear about Ponty on a Saturday pigs chitlins,and lambs hearts.
A cig,. called Royalty buy one and make five cigs for four pence, sneaking in to the pictures,and getting chased through the woods by Billy one arm Lord Aberdares caretaker
and never saying sorry to any do gooder or looking for a lawyer to get you out of trouble,but knew dad was going to give you few on the bottom
OZ Doug
Thx Trish for mentioning Carpaninis Joan was my mother and Alma and Rene my aunts was a great place growing up and yes who cant remember the pie and chips with gravy.
Its seems like a long time ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. The fish & chips were'nt too bad as well nice bit of Hake. I miss those days alot great memories for me growing up in Aberdare.
Falstaff
I would be over the moon if I could have Carpininis Pie chips and gravy again.I use to make a special bus trip from Rhigos once a week to go down to Aberdare to have it for my lunch,only had enough money for the bus fare and pie and chips.Use to just walk around town in the morning window shopping then off to Carpininis and home on the bus well satisfied.
Do you have the recipe for that pie or is a safely guarded family secret ??
Falstaff-if there was a Hall of Fame for Fish and Chip shops
Carpannini's should be on the top of the list-in fact there should be a star on the pavement in Aberdare to commemorate where it stood!!!! :) best fish and chips ever tasted.
I used to play with a group in the 60s and I think your mam Joan happened to be on the the concert bill with us several times. If it was her, we backed her for several of her songs. The last time was in Porthcawl in a charity even in the Pavillion. That would be about 1967. She had a fantastic voice and looked great on stage. A great privelige to have known her-a lovely women and well liked by the audiences too.
Hi Beacon Girl yes thx for sharing your stories of Carpaninis pie n chips experience its not really a family secret to be honest it was leftover cooked steak and bits cooked in a thin pastry thats all I really know not an exact recipe sorry. Think it was mixed in with rich gravy to make it solidify. Thats all I can remember Rene used to make it from scratch every week.Wow the things we remember its amazing how long ago that was. I dont live in the UK any more California for 37yrs. Thats what I mean about a long time ago. But my heart will always be in Wales and Aberdare growing up in the 60s was a great place to be.
Thx again Beacon girl talk again soon.
Hi Apollomed YES!! you are right I dont believe it we proberbly knew each other I was in a group The Comets early 60s lots of fun we played The Memorial Hall lots of times and Porthcawl Pavillion.This is very cool that you remembered playing with my mother she's gone now bless her.
But I used to do gigs with her after the Comets disbanded.
Man this is bringing back so many wonderful memories for me I cant tell you. You must tell me your real name man ok?
Mine is Steve Jones most Aberdarians called me Steve Cap.
I still play guitar quite a bit I started a forum called Musicians Corner awhile back but its a bit slow there.
Anyway please keep in touch its great to share stuff from the past, thx for your gracious comments of playing for my mother she is truly missed. I miss those days they were special in my memory and always will be.Keep in touch ok?
Hello Falstaff. - Refresh the old man's memory. Was the drummer with "The Comets" a fella by the name of Billy Morgan?
I also played guitar in a band from the Aberdare valley called "The Way".
Did you send a copy of a tape of yours to Gary Waghorn in Abercynon over the last few years because your name is familiar?
Hi, Beacon_girl, yes I do remember the scrubbing board lol we had one that later went to lad in the street for a great skittle group lol the clothes pegs were usually bought off the door to door travellers along with flowers made of tissue, and lucky heather or lavender for the drawers , cost a fortune but better than offending the sellers. We don't see these any more. Does anyone remember the gas washing machines ? ours was a black metal one where you lit the gas underneath and the washing action was an agitator on top where my mother tuned it manually back and forth, hard work in itself lol, then came the electric ones but used too much money as gas was cheaper (the old bob meters) often a filed down halfpenny would go in lol.
My favourite dolls though were the cardboard cut outs that came with tag on clothes, used to get paper and colouring pens and design my own using the cut out for ten plates.
Also the metal buckets with handles that went to boil on the cooker, everything white cotton or calico, went on the boil lol and pulled out with wooden tongs. We dont know we are born today, Im sure if our kids had to help wring out the sheets one holding each end the beds would only be changed annually
Hi Apollomed the drummer was a guy called Neal Hammond he was our regular drummer and yes I did give Gary Waghorn my cd a few years ago he is a good friend of mine.Even though we have'nt talked in awhile everyone gets on with their own life and all that.But yes we were giging the valley's regularly on weekends etc.Truly is a very small world anyway I dont recall your bands name but there were quite a few back then as I remember.I have another good buddy who still plays bass Floss from Hirwaun do you know him?
His band is called Redeyedfly I think thats the name of the band they are pretty much blues they are on their 2nd cd nice sound.Thanks for sharing all that its really cool talking to you about the old days etc. Keep me posted if you remember anything else.
I think the Comets were the first group I ever heard live although I can't remember where they were playing and I also remember the Celts. The group I played with were called Good Vibrations, we also played around the valleys.
I remember the Gogo bar tried out Saturday nights with live groups but it didn't take off as the new Discoteque experience they had was all the rage. But, I will always remember they had an all girl band one saturday night in Gogo's called "The Fabulous Fabs". They were from Cardiff and came on to play wearing evening type dresses. All stunning lookers and played great music. The lead guitar for our group was Billy Hudson. He couldn't read a word of music but learnt everyone's bit of music by listening to records and then taught everyone.He was an amazing instrumental guitarist-loved playing anything by the Shadows. If anyone out there knows Billy, please let me know on here as I would love to get in touch with him again.
Oh yes Gogos who can forget that place not my favourite Aberdare night spot but always crowded with sweaty bodies dancing to the supremes and all the Motown hits. But at least it was lively for that time. I remember Gary Waghorn playing there one night and thought to myself wow this guy is good really good. Think he made me a better guitarist if the truth was known he knew every Beatles tune and all the chords I was impressed right away. The Celts were always playing around Aberdare back then at the memorial hall and places we either followed them every other week or before them it seemed like. I think I remember your band but cant remember if I saw you play my memory sometimes tricks me getting older does that lol.Anyway hope you locate your old band member that would be very nice indeed always good to catch up with old friends.
Hi, go-gos was ok but I prefered the Mem, knew the celts lol if my memory served me right Dai was the singer and brian the drummer, thier Welsh kilts went down well. I dont remember who was who because a group of friends, all were musicians, then a few broke out to form the celts. I was friendly with Dais, brother Mal known as Mel Scot, later who sang in pubs and clubs country and western and was a great hit everywhere as he was a sing along artist. We were all teeny teenagers then, mainly from the same village I wonder what happened to them all cos they had great talent, Mel died a young man I heard.
Returning to the Memorial Hall, it used to be soooo crowded and the "bouncer" was an elderly guy (I think his name was Mr Medlicot)and some one called Terry and friend kept us in order. This would not happen today in such a crowd. no alcohol just squash and crisps downstairs to cool after a long jive, First time I ever tasted cheese and onion crisps.(at that time only plain crisps were sold but these I think were branded TUDOR CRISPS, I have never seen this brand sinse, also the crowd was intense but we could jive like mad, cigerette in hand lol but never got a burn. There were some good turns there on a Saturday OHHH FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS LOL
Hi Gardengirl yes the Mem days were by far the best memories for me playing there always crowded every sat night it was a blast. I dont know if you remember when the Hollies played there? Well we were the opening band we also played there with The Merseybeats and they came back to Carpaninis cafe after for some grub.We were always starving after we played sweating up on stage and all that.
Yes I do remember squash and crisps downstairs but we were always busy setting up the amps etc. It was a great place to be on the weekend,we were good friends with the Celts but its been so long since then that some of the names escape me now,but I do remember Dai and Mal think they used to practice sometimes in Aberaman YMCA I sat in with them once.Many moons ago now but I really enjoy talking about the old days even though their long gone. I just saw the link to BBC Wales with the Zodiacs article we knew them as well all the local bands were friendly back then and helped each other out in a tight situation thats the way it was most of the bands were a bit older than us ,I think our average age was 15yrs old, man that was a long time ago lol. Anyway check out the article The Zodiacs play the Memorial Hall on the bill is our band playing New Years Eve The Comets. I remember that night it was really one of our best nights there I think lots of people lots of fun and yes no booze back then unless you went drinking before you came in. Im sure lots did lol I was too young then only 15yrs old.This is the only photo of The Comets I have see if you can remember us back then its a long time ago so I dont blame anyone if they cant.Im bottom right next tony taylor the other guitarist. http://www.box.net/shared/49dkn69job http://www.box.net/shared/3enyoigy07
Great pictures Fastaff-I think the gear your wearing has a little bit of the Dave Clark 5 about it. Our group opened once in the Checkmate Club in Caerphilly and the second group was none other than "Tommy Scott and the Senators" better known as Tom Jones and the Squires a year later.
A good band in those semi-professional days and like you said, always willing to help out.
Hi fastaff Thanks so much for that link, I only glanced at the photo and entrance ticket on the second link, could see "join now" so going to try later, hopefully it will be a bit of nostalgia for me as it seems a lifetime ago now, and yes I do remember the comets now lol In an earlier post I had the name mixed up as I read the name Billy Morgan ( It might have been in a separate posting even) but I was so exited and reliving the past lol I got mixed up with another Billy Morgan, a lot older. Got to admit though with all the groups that played there I remember the name The Comets, so the group you belonged to must have played there a lot, as other group came and went, me but your group was one I remembered well.
So glad you mentioned the Hollies as a few of my older friends think I am imagining it lol, The tickets for them cost a pound If I remember rightly (could have been ten bob but still a fortune for those days) and Dai Celts sister won a ticket, but the night before I broke my arm so wouldn't go because could not back comb my hair or put make up on. OMG us girls were 8 inches taller then with our hair and high heels. you guys in the group must have had a laugh of us gazing at the stage all hoping for a smile off one of the performers. (I am still a sixties music fan and the hollies were one of the all time greats that made it big time.)
Going back to the mem, I never once saw a bad live band there, and when you said you said average age of groups were fifteen I was gobsmacked, I always thought the musicians playing were much older to be so talented. lol
If you look on rhigosmemories.org.uk you will find another write up about the Zodiacs.
Click on Photos of Rhigos People on the left hand side and you will find near the bottom of that page a photo of the Zodiacs ,click on it and there you will find more information about them.
Thx gardengirl for checking out the pics yes they will auto load when you go on them if not just d/load it if you want,yes it was a long time ago for sure but it was a great part of my life growing up in Wales. Which I shall always keep close to me forever lots of good friends and memories.
I will check out the link you posted about the Zodiacs thx again if you think of anything else please post it so we can all see and reminisce of days gone by.
Hi Apollomed thx man yeah a little Dave Clarkish for sure they made us wear the dickie bows lol not sure why but it was for our photos we passed out to prospective clubs etc.
so we had to look the part so to speak. Very different times back then it was all about looking pro,now its pretty much look as you want to no one looks at that stuff anymore unless your in the tabloids for something bad you did. But back then we were just kids having fun for however long it lasted we thought it was going to be forever lol. Having said all that I still play alot of guitar and record my own music at the house,mainly Jazz with my own twist on it latin beats etc. Check out Musicians Corner forum I think there are some of my tunes still up there if you want to. Keep the nostalgia coming.
Thx again for this great post you started it means alot to us who lived those times and still remember most of it.
Butchers pork chops with the crackling on, Hedgerows where you could pick rosehips, blackberries and hazel nuts, and song sheets on the back pages of The News of the world and The People. Perhaps I shouldn't have put that last one in, it might give away how old I am!!!
my great grans home-made welshcakes and her home-made stuffing that she made for us every christmas time mmmmmmmmmmm oh i miss her sooo much. sadly she passed away 7 years ago aged 93... oh bless would have been 100 next month.
i haven't had a decent welshcake since she went... but my dad now makes the stuffing which tastes just as good.... his gran taught him well lol.
Few things I really miss are pasties that were steamed with the cafe coffee makers of the time like all the cafe's would steam them for you if you asked them.
When we were kids we would practicaly live in the rock baths and there was a cafe across from the Rex cinema forgotten the name of it now,they always had great steamed pasties and steak n kidney pies wonderful stuff from days gone by. With I forgot ice cold Fanta or Pepsi with ice floating in the bottle. I dont drink Pepsi now but remember stupid stuff like that. Growing up in Aberdare in the 60s was actually not too bad a place to be ,compared to some.
Does anyone remember Corona Pop that had a bottling factory in Aberdare cant remember the street but it was at the end of a street kinda deadend thats all I remember. My gran would make us jelly and custard she would use corona pop in the jelly so it had a zing when you ate it,I thought that was very cool thing lol. Anyway thats all for now later.
OMG the pasties done using steam from the coffee makers-I had totally forgotten about that and your right Falstaff they were great. We used to come out of the pictures in Ceiber and have them in Ray Flynn's cafe-Curleyleads would eat two of them one after the other because he was a greedy bu--er!! Steak and Kidney pies were made by Dan Hansen's in Merthyr if I recall - all the Bracchis used to do them that way.
I also remember in some of the fish and chip shops if you ordered a hot pie, they would drop that in the hot fat as well. I don't think the "healthy brigade" would allow that to happen today!!
Apollomed glad you remember those those things we must be close in age lol not that thats a bad thing. Times were a little more simple back then and getting pleasure out of a steamed pie when we were kids was a fantastic thing to have. Today its the latest computer with lightening speed lol thats what kids want now,I sound like my parents now telling me to turn the music down when I played the Stones full blast.
Anyway its all good, times change but we all have great memories of those days and still are able to enjoy todays new things,so I consider myself lucky to have both times in my memory bank. One more thing before I sign off I got a letter yesterday from the lead guitarist of our old band The Comets I was blown away its only been 45yrs since we've contacted each other so now I have to get writing a letter just to get his email address lol. But its really cool that he wrote me to begin with he remembered all the gigs we played in detail I was stunned he knew more than me. Talk soon apollomed thx man.
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