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New road surface between Abercynon and Cwmbach

It would be interesting to know just how much damage is being done to car bodywork by the cheap road surface that has been applied to the A4059.

I just been to have my car washed and had to have tar removal applied, there was even tar on the roof. The car had to be washed, then tar remover applied and washed again. Josh Wash at Aberman Park did an excellent job and he said he had been very busy as a result of the road works.

Every bit of road works that this council does seems to be on the cheap, especially in this valley.

and replacement windscreens

and replacement windscreens

That's ok. I am glad to see

That's ok. I am glad to see the council have not been wasting my community charge.

A4059 Penywaun - Aberdare

A4059 Penywaun - Aberdare Bypass, Penywaun Resurfacing £335,000

A4059 Penywaun R/A to A465, Aberdare Ultra-thin overlay £102,500

A4059 Mountain Ash to Cwmbach, Mountain Ash Ultra-thin overlay £130,000

A4059 Abercynon to Mt Ash, Abercynon Ultra-thin overlay £350,000

http://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/en/councildemocracy/democracyelections/councill...

http://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/en/councildemocracy/democracyelections/councill...

Bob O'Builder could do

Bob O'Builder could do better with a bucket of slop

These comments are clearly

These comments are clearly ignorant. The surface dressing applied by RCT is an excellent job and terrific value for money for us tax payers. Its an approriate and cost effective treatment for the road and I for one are glad that they are taking this responsible approach. Chippings are present for the first few weeks as the process beds in and if drivers obeyed the advisory speed limit warning signs then there should be no damage.

As usual the majority of providers on this forum have nothing good to say about the council, we in this case they are spending your council tax wisely.

There's been a lot of

There's been a lot of similar criticism about the work going on in Aberdare town center, but this disruption is necessary in order to create a better environment. You can't make an omlette without cracking a few eggs. I'm sure the contractors do their best to keep disruption down to a minimum, but that's all they can do. It'll work out fine in the end.

I remember though the resurfacing of the bypass following the surface breakup after the hard winters of 2009\2010. They must have had contractors bombed out on acid, because even now you get seasick travelling along it. It's one of the worst jobs of resurfacing I've ever driven over, and they let them get away with it. Now that raised some questions amongst many drivers that I talked to.

By the way, Tinky, which department of RCT do you work for, or are you closely related to a councillor? And before you start slagging me off again, I do recognise some of the good that the council does, and have acknowledged it on here several times. I'm just unfortunate to live in a ward where the local incumbent is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard, and is clearly in it for the nice fat payment he gets into his bank account every month. Suffice it to say that if waffle and b******t were poetry, he'd be William Shakespeare.

Neither im afraid, so once

Neither im afraid, so once again no conspiracy here then, just qualified to make a sensible statement about a very good example of highway engineering, which cannot be compared to the waving experienced years ago when the HRA was laid on the by-pass. On occasion when they get it right they should be applauded. And this has nothing to do with members, its down to the engineering officers who have got this one bang on!

Why not do a proper job then

Why not do a proper job then instead of what looks like a cowboy job. Taking off top layer with skimming machine and then reusing waste product and reapplying. Cost more but will certainly get a longer life.

At moment you are still driving in ruts left after years of traffic going along same path.

Just feels cheap and nasty, and if a proper job was done there would not be broken windscreens and damaged paint work.

Apparently this process was

Apparently this process was done on the Graig in Pontypridd and the process has already worn away in some parts especially on the bends in the road again a danger for cars and above all motorcycles.

But son of cocoman knows

But son of cocoman knows best. Cant be any good if its coming up in usual places, it was pointless doing it and wasting all that money.

Another slice of battenburg and a cup o tea please

Its a pain where they have

Its a pain where they have been working but this surface dressing as they call is is no bob the builder job, its actually good practice and RCT seem to be leading the way in this, Caerphilly and Merther are also using this road treatment to improve wear on the roads.

Once the gravel has been sewpt up and the lines laid it seems a good job provided the nutters speeding along slow down while the temporary speed signs are there.

You cant fault RCT Council on roads investment, it seems every few days they are doing a new road or street, some are ripped up along with new footways, some are just the roads being relaid and some are being done in this tar and stone so a real mix.

As for the Aberdare work, it does look bad while the work is ongoing but where I have seen its finished it looks good and to a really high standard.

Should this surface be

Should this surface be allowed on the main arterial route through the valley? Yes it was done with the minimum of fuss and inconvience to the travelling public but it has not adressed what had become a very poor road surface.

The pot holes and 'tramlines' are still there and even after just a fortnight or so it is already beginning to shows signs of wear. There is still plenty of loose gravel being thrown up, especially if you drive on very wide tyres. Therefore the skid risk is still there, I'd hate to be a motorcyclist.

This surface may be fine for backstreets and lanes, but a major heavily used route I think not. The contractors have already had to apply further chippings to the approach to the Abercynon roundabout. At seven in the evening they had a JCB spreading the chippings over that stretch of the road.

The treads of my tyres are still full of chippings and I think this surface has increased the accident risk on the faster stretches of the road. It can easily catch out the unwary or inexperienced.

yes it should absolutely be

yes it should absolutely be used. This process is used all over the world including motorways and trunk roads. A 30 mile section of the M6 has been completed with itas has the A470 trunk road from BUilth to North Wales. The process prevents the ingress of water into the carriageway matrix which is so damaging in the winter. This will avoid reconstruction which typically costs £60 - £70 per square metre as opposed to this preventative treatment which costs approx £4 per square metre, and no its not a cheap job.
The workmanship is first rate and I for one are glad that RCT is using my council tax wisely.

By the way I'm not the son of cocoman, (although I do enjoy the reaction he provokes) Im just tired of the constant criticism of some of our councillors regardless of whatever they do. Its been going on for years now and the record is tiring. Time to move on or move out, or stand for office yourself and change the world with the little public funds they have available.

If it works fine, but as a

If it works fine, but as a motorist that does 35,000 plus miles a year certain roads will not work.

Just look at the small bend as you leave Newtown Mountain Ash, the bend is starting to carve up and its been less than a month.

Fine I give in on straight lengths it may work fine, but on bends and areas of heavy commercial traffic it wont.

They use a similar system in France but its mainly for rural roads as most commercial traffic pays to use the Auto route and france being a bigger country will just build or re surface roads in full.

As we live in a congested small island with more and more people coming in and freight traffic increasing from the continent maybe its time to lower road tax and have tolled motorways.

There is nothing wrong with this approach as you only pay for the roads you use.

Just look at the big pile of dogs mess at the abercynon round about, the M4 junc 32 was sorted out quick time, but alas Abercynon and the cynon valley has been let down again

Has it been well applied?

Has it been well applied? Just look at the state of the road approaching the roundabout at the start of the by-pass from Hirwaun. The old ruts and undulations are clearly visible as are several pot holes around the Newtown area. I was under the impression that this process would fill and smooth out these imperfections.

How well does the road surface grip if rain water cannot filter through? I'm lucky I've got 235 tyres which shift the water very well and I always change them at 2.5mm, so I'm fairly confident on a wet road. But what of the much smaller cars with narrow wheels, they cannot shift the water as efficiently or safely. Surely there's more to a road surface than penny pinching, safety must come into it.

No doubt the nut behind the wheel will get the blame but in my professional experience this is not always so.

Off the council

Off the council website

Latest section of our roads to be done I see, this work started this week......

As part of the Council’s strong commitment to maintaining and improving the County Borough’s highways infrastructure, the Council is beginning work in the Aberdare area, ploughing over £60,000 in to the B4275, which is the main route to Aberaman and adjoining villages.

The planned works are set to take place during early August and are expected to be completed in less than a week subject to the weather conditions allowing the works to progress as planned.

As the route which runs along Cardiff Road from Tinney’s Roundabout back along the B4275 past the old welsh school is a busy road there will inevitably be some minor disruption during the works, however in order to keep this to a minimum, the scheme will be undertaken outside peak hours (i.e. between 9.30am – 3.30pm and during evenings). Traffic lights will be in place to ensure that traffic is kept moving.

Leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf Council and Local Ward Member for Aberaman North, Councillor Anthony Christopher, said:

“We are delivering on our commitment to make these important improvements to this part of the B4275 around Tinny’s roundabout towards the old Welsh School.

“The highway improvements will comprise of the strengthening of the carriageway which will provide a renewed surface which will last for many years to come.

"The Council has recognised the concerns expressed by the public at the damage caused from the previous harsh winters and it is for that very reason we are investing a further £9 million in our roads during 2012/13.

“Our significant investment of £10m last year has already made a substantial difference to residents and demonstrates the Council’s commitment to investing in the infrastructure within the County Borough.”

County Borough Councillor Andrew Morgan, Cabinet Member for Frontline Services said:

“Over 378 roads and streets have already benefited from resurfacing works - this is over and above the 85,000 pot holes and patching repairs we have carried out since the work began in April 2011.

“The highway improvements have taken place right across Rhondda Cynon Taf with every ward of the County Borough benefiting.

“I would like to thank the residents of the streets that have already been targeted for their support, as this has led to the speedy completion of the roads highlighted so far and ask them to bear with us as we continue the improvements.”

Motorists right across the County Borough are reaping the benefits from Rhondda Cynon Taf Council’s ongoing £9m Highways Investment Scheme as works plough ahead.

Over 138 streets and roads have already been either resurfaced or strengthened since April 2012. This is on top of the 240 streets and roads that were tackled during the first phase of the scheme (2011/12).

The Council’s Environmental Services team have now inspected and identified the streets across the County Borough that will be included in the resurfacing and strengthening programme for 2012. Works are now being carried out in the most cost effective manner, therefore it will not necessarily be in the order of priority but all the roads identified will be tackled this financial year.

Notice on the A4059 between

Notice on the A4059 between Penywaun and Trecynon. Work will start here between 1900-0700 6th August to 16th August.

Another press release of

Another press release of RCT's website, not before time as this by pass is shot to bits and had loads pot holes in it last year, not been up there lately though. Says its resurfacing but doesnt say if its the full road or patchwork

Essential works by Rhondda Cynon Taf Council will cause the temporary overnight closure of A4059 Aberdare Bypass from Meirion Street Roundabout to Penywaun Roundabout (including Harriet Street Roundabout) from 6th August 2012.

The road closure will then continue between the hours of 7pm to 7am the next morning until 13th August or until works are complete.

The road is being closed to carry out essential carriage way resurfacing and the works have been programmed to be undertaken during the school summer holidays and outside of peak hours, to minimise the disruption to road users.

The diversion will route road users from the Meirion Street Roundabout, along the A4059 Aberdare Bypass, Depot Road Roundabout, Gadlys Roundabout, route B4275 to the Penywaun Roundabout.

Road users from the Penywaun Roundabout, are asked to proceed via route A4059 (Hirwaun Road), Hirwaun Roundabout, route A465 (Heads of the Valleys Road), route B4276 (Merthyr Road and Llwydcoed Road) to Harriet Street Roundabout.

For vehicles travelling in the opposite direction, reverse the directions given above.

Access will be maintained to existing pedestrian crossing points and for emergency services and buses at all times. Pedestrians are reminded that they are not permitted to walk along the Bypass at any time

Tinky is right about

Tinky is right about 'surface dressing' used all over the world. Congo, Kenya, Indonesia etc. However, surface dressing is really just a cosmetic exercise and does not address any existent flaws in the lower strata of the road surface, particularly and frost damage by lensing, or furrowing. In most of the developed world, Europe and the United States, the surface dressing method is not used, but a mechanised lifting of the existing top layer, recycling and reconstituting of the tarmac, heating, and re-laying. This done in one operation, as a road train, and not only removes flaws in the top layer, but does not mean loose chippings, and it actually strengthens and improves the top layer, once relayed. There are a number of mechanised relaying road trains that do this, most notable that from Siemens, and Komatsu. Here is the latest design from Volvo..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BoAtlIPiAQ

It is done with one pass of the road train. As for cost, it's important to understand that a cheap cosmetic overlay does not solve the structural issues, and has a very short life span. It can be useful as a temporary patch, but merely delays the inevitable need to re-lay the surface. Introducing low volatility tar and chipping actually makes the job of correcting the structure, which will eventually need to be done, more expensive in the long run. Obviously, there is a huge capital outlay in the equipment, but this is usually purchased by the regional government and rented out to the local authority, to get maximum utilisation.

Why is Aberdare in the third world?

Anything done on on the

Anything done on on the cheap is ok by me. "Make do, and mend" will always make a profit and put money in the bank. Saving the community charge is excellent.

Cock

Cock

Found this on youtube kinda

Found this on youtube kinda explains why the stone and tar is used and does explain its NOT as Valleyboy suggested a 3rd world road surface.

Actually says same as the RCT press release that its a preventative measure for stopping potholes and cracks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1SnljPKLY&feature=related

This debate is not really

This debate is not really about types of road maintenance, it's about the rest of Europe investing in high-tech engineering and Wales being left in the slow lane of make do and mend.

Here is the German method (used 10 years ago) in Italy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsASzsMLDw

It's a pity that RCT council does not invest in modern technology. Investing in such methods might event create local high tech jobs for the valleys, rather than a man with a shovel on the back of a scatter machine. I bet the A4059 is already showing signs of toughing. Go see.

I see they are doing the

I see they are doing the by-pass section on the A4059 from Trecynon upwards towards Penywaun, much better working with them doing the evenings there this last week

The Workhouse could go on

The Workhouse could go on the old chicken factory site, then all the scroungers who have always lived on benefits could live there. That would clear Penywaun so a road could be built straight through to Hirwaun, that in turn would bring more work to the Industrial Estate. That's all it takes is a little planning!

Sorry Crapman, someone

Sorry Crapman, someone already tried a final solution. That failed.

Cockman must be sniffing vim

Cockman must be sniffing vim or something, his mind has gone dooolally or what.

Since Big Jim's government

Since Big Jim's government in the 70,s Aberdare has lost a hell of a lot of employment . Wouldn't you silly Billy's like to see all that work back here?

MMM must now be sniffing rat

MMM must now be sniffing rat poison

Thought I'd bump this

Thought I'd bump this thread.

Has anyone noticed how dangerous the stretch of this road between Cwmbach and Mountain Ash has become in heavy rain. There is water pooling in the middle of the road because the new surface has been so poorly applied.

Some of these puddles are quite wide and hold enough water to get your tyres to loose adhesion for a moment. I was travelling towards Mount this morning and had to pass a farm tractor and trailer. Road in front was clear so I passed as quickly as I could as there were others behind me who wished to do the same. As I pulled in my offside front broke traction because of the water, traction control flashed for a second.

I drive on wide 235 tyres which are almost brand new (Goodyear Eagle F2) which shift a fair old amount of water. If I had been on a motorcycle............doesn't bear thinking about. I'm going to report it to the council.

Yes Gibbsy I have noticed

Yes Gibbsy I have noticed the water holding on the road I at this time travel on that stretch of road a few times throughout the day.

I know the weather has been bad today but there are problems also on the road from Pontypridd to Beddau over the Graig has a problem of holding water that road also had the same treatment as A4059.

Like everything you get what you pay for.

Another bad stretch of road is the B4595 Beddau to Llantrisant part of this road hasn’t seen any new tarmac for years is the local Labour Cllr. Richard Yeo representing Beddau ward interested? Who knows, the road it’s like a long rumble strip been like that for so long the residents don’t take any notice I expect.

I e-mailed the council on

I e-mailed the council on the 18th October, I had a reply with a reference number and they promised to get in touch with me. Not a dicky bird since. The road was particularly bad this morning a lot of water collecting along the middle of the road.

All you need is someone with bald tyres and they're going to take a trip into the scenery.

Yes I agree the road was bad

Yes I agree the road was bad this morning with surface water top of the Graig in Ponty also very bad.

Yes some departments are reluctant to send out e-mails particularly if they don’t have the answer to your query.

The planning department are typical

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